Knox Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 Can someone share a calibration or vanos settings and degrees for me for bmw s50b30 engine? Ecu is xtreme and customer told me dual vanos but one solenoid for one camshaft. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 The S50B30 should have the high pressure vanos on inlet cam only. It should have two solenoids - one for advance, one for retard. Advance solenoid is the top one, retard is the bottom. You need to cut the connectors off and fit something generic as the factory connectors have diodes in them designed for highside drive. If you do a triggerscope and post it I will be able to suggest most of the settings from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knox Posted August 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 5:17 AM, Adamw said: The S50B30 should have the high pressure vanos on inlet cam only. It should have two solenoids - one for advance, one for retard. Advance solenoid is the top one, retard is the bottom. You need to cut the connectors off and fit something generic as the factory connectors have diodes in them designed for highside drive. If you do a triggerscope and post it I will be able to suggest most of the settings from that. Hello Adamw, yesterday I went next to the car (different city) and the vanos system is like you picture you attached up. So its single vanos owner and mechanic think two vanos because of two solenoids.I make a road tune without vanos (just for drive the car to rod adjustment etc) I forgot to take a triggerscope but its single vanos so can you suggest me the settings please ? Or if you want I can have a triggerscope in couple days and attach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 There are two different cam patterns for this engine, some have 8 evenly spaced teeth, some 6+1, which is why the triggerscope is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knox Posted September 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 On 8/28/2020 at 12:08 AM, Adamw said: There are two different cam patterns for this engine, some have 8 evenly spaced teeth, some 6+1, which is why the triggerscope is needed. Hi, today customer bring the car to me. I take a trigger scope and also I have questions if you can help me I will be happy because I never tuned bmw vanos system. I attached calibration and also trigger scope. I atached some pictures, and write which one is connected to where but I don't know if its correct. Trigger 2 is connected the middle sensor and engine works (I wrote Trig1 on picture by mistake but it is Trig2). Digital inputs connected to the ecu but they are not active because of I don't know if they are correct. And also I don't know the hz or offset numbers for this engine. Also I attached picture (you attached before) I just can be sure and didn't find on google which is retard solenoid and which is advance solenoid. Thank you for support. S50B30.pclr Trigger Scope Log 2020-09-10 S50B30 pm.llg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 Ok, both trig 2 and DI 1 are needed. DI2 is not needed and not used. The wire coming out the top side of the vanos unit is the advance solenoid (aux 4) and the wires out the bottom are the retard solenoid (aux 3). Map attached below with most of the basics set up. Once you have the engine running you will need to turn on the LH Cam angle test (use test pulse count of 8) and use that to determine the offset number for DI1. This procedure is explained in the help file page: G4+ ECU Tuning Functions > VVT Control > Tuning VVT Control > Cam Angle Test S50B30 V1.pclr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knox Posted September 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Adamw said: Ok, both trig 2 and DI 1 are needed. DI2 is not needed and not used. The wire coming out the top side of the vanos unit is the advance solenoid (aux 4) and the wires out the bottom are the retard solenoid (aux 3). Map attached below with most of the basics set up. Once you have the engine running you will need to turn on the LH Cam angle test (use test pulse count of 8) and use that to determine the offset number for DI1. This procedure is explained in the help file page: G4+ ECU Tuning Functions > VVT Control > Tuning VVT Control > Cam Angle Test S50B30 V1.pclr 147.71 kB · 0 downloads Thank you for great support again. After that on vvt inlet target table is there any starting degrees you can advise ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 Import the table attached will be a decent starting point VVTi Inlet Target.lte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knox Posted September 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Adamw said: Import the table attached will be a decent starting point VVTi Inlet Target.lte 780 B · 2 downloads I tried open with several software but can not open. Can you attach a screen shot please? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dx4picco Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 Not trying to hijack the post, but is there any article/post regarding the tuning of VE on a VVT engine on the G4+? I'll also get to tune a S50b32 euro (double vanos) in the coming weeks and would like to apprehend how the G4+ is dealing with VE changes due to cam angle changes. I know some other platform dealing with one VE table per cam angle and interpolating between. I couldn't find further infos on this plateform. thx! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 9 hours ago, dx4picco said: I'll also get to tune a S50b32 euro (double vanos) in the coming weeks and would like to apprehend how the G4+ is dealing with VE changes due to cam angle changes. I know some other platform dealing with one VE table per cam angle and interpolating between. I couldn't find further infos on this plateform. I have never needed to do any more than a single VE table. Sometimes you will need to tickle up the final VE table after VVT has been tuned but usually it tends to take care of itself. If you find the need then you can turn on a 4D fuel table and put cam position on one axis to perform a fuel correction based on cam pos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dx4picco Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 So itb's, single VE table with tps/rpm and Cam phasing with tps rpm too should be on point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 11 hours ago, dx4picco said: So itb's, single VE table with tps/rpm and Cam phasing with tps rpm too should be on point? Yes that will be easy with TP as the reference for VE and VVT. dx4picco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knox Posted September 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 On 9/11/2020 at 1:04 PM, Adamw said: Import the table attached will be a decent starting point VVTi Inlet Target.lte 780 B · 5 downloads Hello, I tuned this engine but I think vanos system is not working. I see aux 3 and 4 goes to on and off but Inlet LH error counter continously increase. I take a log and I attached the log and calibration which is fuel numbers tuned. I want to ask how can I check if vvt works (not only for this engine for general vvt system like subaru,toyota etc for ex: I tuned many hondata kpro and there two parameter cam command which is what ecu commands and cam which is actual cam degree), I mean when I compare Inlet LH target and Inlet LH possion should they match with each other ? By the way attached .lte file I can not open to see the degrees for vanos vvt deegree can you check if mine is ok or can you please attach a screen shot etc. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 To import the VVT table, right click on your VVT table in PC link, go to >import/export > import from file, then choose this new table file. For the VVT problem, please attach the log and tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knox Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 9/13/2020 at 1:18 AM, Adamw said: To import the VVT table, right click on your VVT table in PC link, go to >import/export > import from file, then choose this new table file. For the VVT problem, please attach the log and tune. Thank you for explanation about import export. Sorry I forgot to attach files . S50B30 Link Storm.pclr S50B30.llg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 If you do a cam angle test on LH inlet cam, with a test pulse count of 8, are the reported cam angle numbers in the runtimes screen stable? Can you list the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knox Posted September 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, Adamw said: If you do a cam angle test on LH inlet cam, with a test pulse count of 8, are the reported cam angle numbers in the runtimes screen stable? Can you list the numbers. They are usually change in 4-5 degreese and sometime for ex: cam7 will be the lowest and sometimes cam5 or 3 is the lowest number. And let say cam7 is lowest and 27.4 after rpm lockout lowest number is 31. If you want I will record a short video and attach here. But I can do it in next week because customer lives at different city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Also try swapping the active edge on the DI settings to see if that makes it more stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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