DO1023 Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Hi, I'm having some issues getting my car running here and I was curious as to if any of you guys would have any insight. I was told to do a flat 2ms dwell for the coils as they typically don't like more than 2ms or they'll get too hot ( already killed my #1 coil multiple times - this is the only coil that gets hot. ) The COP harness I have has a common ground on the head, common power wired up to an ecu switched power. Coils are fired via the 4 pin ignition expansion connection on the ecu board. There is also a wiere ( I'm assuming a trigger ) going into the stock Igniter plug at one pin and another wire looped from one of those pins to another. This was a pnp kit purchased for this specific application. Additionally I'm having some issues with settings for these Bosch EV14 1000cc Injectors. No deadtime values or anything came with them. I was instructed to use Link's Multi Fuel map as a model for my injector settings. Can anyone suggest any remedies for my issue? The car does cough and backfire but definitely does not fully fire and run. thanks! Daniel_ev14_1000_1zz.pclr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Burnett Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 For the 1zz coils i run about 1.8ms of dwell with the best results. But my dwell table isn't flat. I add a touch more at low rpm and increase it as batt volt drops. For the injectors, the NZefi values work well, or you can use the Injector Dynamics values for their ID1ks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 5 hours ago, DO1023 said: Additionally I'm having some issues with settings for these Bosch EV14 1000cc Injectors. No deadtime values or anything came with them. I was instructed to use Link's Multi Fuel map as a model for my injector settings. Sorry, I think you got a bum steer there. The correct settings for the 1000cc EV14 injectors that we sell are in the base map labelled "G4+ Storm Black Sample.pclr". Copy the deadtimes, SPWA & flowrate data out of that (note you can copy paste whole tables). I have run some 1ZZ coils on a race car for several seasons with the dwell times below without any drama: I know the 1ZZ has a couple of variations of trigger patterns so for the starting issue lets first do a triggerscope to check that matches. Please do a triggerscope, save as log and attach here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DO1023 Posted April 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 I've never done a trigger scope so please bear with me if I did this incorrectly. Trigger Scope Log 2018-04-11 10;29;57 am.llg Apologies, I believe I did in fact do the first triggerscope incorrectly. Here's a corrected one. Trigger Scope Log 2018-04-11 10;42;50 am.llg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DO1023 Posted April 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 To give some insight as to how my coils are wired - Each coil has it's IGT going to the ignition expansion on the board. 1 to 1, 2 to 2, etc. The power for each coil is going to the OEM igniter connector ( pin 3 below ) There is a wiring bridging from pin 2 to pin 4.. which I'm assuming is for the tachometer. What confuses me is that the 20th pin on ECU plug B that's talked about below is also considered Ign1. But... there's an Ign1 on the ignition expansion and that's where my #1 coil's trigger is wired to. The coils are commonly grounded on the head. ( 1 White/Red to ECU plug B 3rd spot (IBF)2 White/White to ECU plug B 20th spot (IGT)3 Black/Red to Ignition Main Relay (12+)4 Black/Black to Tachometer5 Black/White to Ignition coil and check connector (Diagnostic port) ) Additionally through an ignition test, I've discovered that the first coil will not fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DO1023 Posted April 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Here's another thing I have a discrepancy with. In the help section for the ignition expansion connector for my ecu, this is what I see. (first image ). What exactly is the bottom row of text stating? Ignition 1 goes to 1, Ignition 2 goes to 2, ignition 4 goes to pin 3 and ignition 3 goes to pin 4? I don't think this would explain why Cylinder 1 won't fire and that coil keeps getting hot but this could be a start. I will note, that coils 2,3 and 4 all fire when I perform an ignition test. The second image is whats printed on my board and that's how each cylinder's IGT is wired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Hi Expansion ignition plug is as per on the board markings. Typo is in the manual/help file (The proof of this will be to run ignition test Ign 1 should fire coil 1, 2-2, 3-3, 4-4) Ignition 1 is wired to both the main header and the expansion connector make sure you only have a connection on one pin. (remove factory wire from main header) Trigger wise you look to be using the stock 3SGTE CAS which should be set as Multi tooth. This set up will be the same as for the 185 or 205 but you might have to move the offset as this could be incorrect. (distributor application have 4 offsets that will work) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DO1023 Posted April 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Okay thanks for that clarification! I'll make those changes once I'm back at the shop tomorrow and update you guys! Really appreciate the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DO1023 Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 So I was able to get all coils to fire by fixing the wiring ( guess you can't trust prefabbed wiring ).. Now I'm having issues getting the car to run.. she fires... but that's it. Here's a log and my cal. Any insight? Log-multiple cough.llg Daniel_ev14_1zz_edit_1.pclr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Fix the dwell table as per my last post and increase your master fuel to about 8-10ms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DO1023 Posted April 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 And she runs. Thanks to all who helped! Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcpower Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 4/11/2018 at 7:01 AM, Adamw said: Sorry, I think you got a bum steer there. The correct settings for the 1000cc EV14 injectors that we sell are in the base map labelled "G4+ Storm Black Sample.pclr". Copy the deadtimes, SPWA & flowrate data out of that (note you can copy paste whole tables). I have run some 1ZZ coils on a race car for several seasons with the dwell times below without any drama: I know the 1ZZ has a couple of variations of trigger patterns so for the starting issue lets first do a triggerscope to check that matches. Please do a triggerscope, save as log and attach here. I am also using Ev14 Bosch motorsport 980cc @ 3 bar Basic Fuel Pressure with part number 0 280 158 040 , will the deadtimes table and short pulse width adder tables in the base map labelled "G4+ Storm Black Sample.pclr" work for these injectors ? Thanks in advance ! Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 12 hours ago, jmcpower said: I am also using Ev14 Bosch motorsport 980cc @ 3 bar Basic Fuel Pressure with part number 0 280 158 040 , will the deadtimes table and short pulse width adder tables in the base map labelled "G4+ Storm Black Sample.pclr" work for these injectors ? Yes that is the exact injector we sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcpower Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 Hi Adam , what if i will be usuing 4 bar basic fuel pressure , waht would be the the deadtimes table and short pulse width adder tables ? Thanks in advance , Best regards, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 Dont know unless you have them tested yourself. I would just leave them as they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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