gts_215i Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Unfortunately I did not write the help in the manual. It was written by a software programmer. I have constantly battled people mapping engines not using the features that were put into the Vipec, to make it easy to tune and not be like other make ECU. The help is full of Link mapping methods. None of them should be there, as the Vipec was my ECU. Based on the above post by Ray, is there any plans to correct this problem ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashesman Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I assume you are referring to the conversation had in this post http://www.vi-pec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=836&p=5260&hilit=Vipec+was+my+ECU#p5260. Please point out the pages and text in the manual you believe is incorrect so we can revise it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 I assume you are referring to the conversation had in this post http://www.vi-pec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=836&p=5260&hilit=Vipec+was+my+ECU#p5260. Please point out the pages and text in the manual you believe is incorrect so we can revise it. Who are you directing this too ?? :? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashesman Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 I am directing this to the original poster. He asked when the manual would be corrected so I was hoping he could point me to the exact pages that were incorrect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I am directing this to the original poster. He asked when the manual would be corrected so I was hoping he could point me to the exact pages that were incorrect... I think he was baseing his ? on what Ray was saying , i know i was/have used the help link pages , as i thought having this help support was one of the GOOD thing that i got when i purchase the vi-pec unit!, but now i don,t know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 The help file is excellent. If there is an area that you think can be improved we are happy to look at this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 The help file is excellent. If there is an area that you think can be improved we are happy to look at this. Maybe you can help me out on this . viewtopic.php?f=3&t=836&p=5262#p5242 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hic Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 I gave you the answer and solution. What is wrong with that, except you don't want to try?! It works 100%m, as I have the same problem on no thermostat race cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 I gave you the answer and solution. What is wrong with that, except you don't want to try?! It works 100%m, as I have the same problem on no thermostat race cars. What do you mean 100%m! Yes i understand what you are saying , thank you for your help , i may end up doing just what you suggested , would be the easyest thing for me to do now that i have a map already build with a ECT of 40-45degrees . so , you said you have had the same problem , IAT ( senser ) would stay the same temp. , but ECT starts to rise and the map starts going rich! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hic Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 M is a type error. Do as I say and u will have no problems at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 M is a type error. Do as I say and u will have no problems at all. Thats funny , that what the wife tells me all the time . With your race car , did you have to pull fuel from the whole map due to the increase in ECT , or only on the lower end? how much did you pull ? how did you set you 4D map up . Any info would be good. From what i see on my sled , as the ECT rises it only affects the low end response , so i was going to set up a 4D fuel map with ECT and TPS. set to ON allways I do have one ? , in such tables as 4D ,5D , IAT correction , if you are pulling -5 at 50% TPS and that is the end of the scale ( no 60% TPS )is the -5 still in affect from 50% TPS to 100% TPS , and if so , if i did add a 60% TPS row with all 0,s in it this would stop any correction from this table ! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Thats funny , that what the wife tells me all the time . With your race car , did you have to pull fuel from the whole map due to the increase in ECT , or only on the lower end? how much did you pull ? how did you set you 4D map up . Any info would be good. From what i see on my sled , as the ECT rises it only affects the low end response , so i was going to set up a 4D fuel map with ECT and TPS. set to ON allways I do have one ? , in such tables as 4D ,5D , IAT correction , if you are pulling -5 at 50% TPS and that is the end of the scale ( no 60% TPS )is the -5 still in affect from 50% TPS to 100% TPS , and if so , if i did add a 60% TPS row with all 0,s in it this would stop any correction from this table ! Thanks Could someone from vipec support help with this ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashesman Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 From what i see on my sled , as the ECT rises it only affects the low end response , so i was going to set up a 4D fuel map with ECT and TPS. set to ON allways There is no need to set up a 4D table. There is a dedicated ECT fuel correction table there, just use that. Set the axis to TPS if you need. Put zero where you want no correcxtion (ie the normal temperature the engine runs at) and positive numbers at temperatures below that, negative numbers at temperatures above that. Your numbers should tend towards zero correction as the throttle opens. in such tables as 4D ,5D , IAT correction , if you are pulling -5 at 50% TPS and that is the end of the scale ( no 60% TPS )is the -5 still in affect from 50% TPS to 100% TPS , and if so , if i did add a 60% TPS row with all 0,s in it this would stop any correction from this table ! The numbers on the edges of the table are in effect if you are operating outside the table. So, if you want zero correction when operating off the edge of a table, you need a row/column with zero in it on that edge of the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 There is no need to set up a 4D table. There is a dedicated ECT fuel correction table there, just use that. Set the axis to TPS if you need. Put zero where you want no correcxtion (ie the normal temperature the engine runs at) and positive numbers at temperatures below that, negative numbers at temperatures above that. Your numbers should tend towards zero correction as the throttle opens. The numbers on the edges of the table are in effect if you are operating outside the table. So, if you want zero correction when operating off the edge of a table, you need a row/column with zero in it on that edge of the table. Thank you , that what i though , just wanted to check. What dedicated ECT fuel correction table are you talking about , if your talking about the WARM-UP ENRICHMENT table it will not let you put a - number in , If there is a different table just dedicated for ECT can you tell me where it is! Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave-Kriedeman Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 With the Warm up enrichment table open simply double click on the cell you wish to change, type in the new value and press enter. Hit F4 to save to ECU and F2 to save to the map in your PC. If it is the axis values you are trying to change then right click on an axis and select axis set up. Change to your preferred axis eg TPS and RPM. Enter the values you wish to have for your axis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 With the Warm up enrichment table open simply double click on the cell you wish to change, type in the new value and press enter. Hit F4 to save to ECU and F2 to save to the map in your PC. If it is the axis values you are trying to change then right click on an axis and select axis set up. Change to your preferred axis eg TPS and RPM. Enter the values you wish to have for your axis. Tryed this , will not take a minus number , it sayes the number has to between 0-255 , either i am missing something or putting in (-) numbers in an enrichment map can not be done , and i do not know of any other dedicated ECT fuel correction table , just the 4D and 5D! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave-Kriedeman Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Are you trying to make a cell value - ve. A cell value can only go to 0 (no multiplication), i've never tried to use a -ve value and just tried it and 0 is as far as it goes. Having a 0 in a cell means the parameter is controlled by the base fuel number only plus any IAT compensation. The area that you are trying to lean off, does it have 0 in that cell. If not what does it have. Sorry for the questions, just trying to get a grip on what you wish to achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Are you trying to make a cell value - ve. A cell value can only go to 0 (no multiplication), i've never tried to use a -ve value and just tried it and 0 is as far as it goes. Having a 0 in a cell means the parameter is controlled by the base fuel number only plus any IAT compensation. The area that you are trying to lean off, does it have 0 in that cell. If not what does it have. Sorry for the questions, just trying to get a grip on what you wish to achieve. My base map is tuned for a ECT of 40-45degrees , my warm-up enrichment comes off at 40degree , from 40degrees to 100 degrees this table is all 0,s i need to compensate the main map ( pull fuel ) when the ECT rises , and as you are saying i can not put a minus # in the warm-up enrichment table, so i was useing the 4D table set up as TPS-(o-100% )ECT-( 45-90degrees ) to pull fuel. But ashesmen (vipec support ) said i do not need to use the 4D map , there is a dedicated fuel correction table i should be using , just trying to find out what he is talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Thank you , that what i though , just wanted to check. What dedicated ECT fuel correction table are you talking about , if your talking about the WARM-UP ENRICHMENT table it will not let you put a - number in , If there is a different table just dedicated for ECT can you tell me where it is! Thank you Hi vi-pec suport , since you reply of this dedicated ECT fuel correction table , i have been unable to find such a table , can you point me to the right spot! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsh Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 I dont know for sure if it is a good or suitable solution, but you can rise the warm up table by say 10% (and lean entire fuel table by 10%) which means it will read 10% fuel enrichment where you actually had zero enrichment. This way you can lower 10% from operating temperature in the warm up table. I believe your 4D fuel table example should work as well. Please chime in here Vi-PEC staff if this will come in conflict with some other stuff or if it should be done in another way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Thank you for your reply , yes i though about doing it this way , but since may main fuel map table is done in RPM/MGP and the warm-up map table is ECT/TPS it would be hard to know what area in the main map to pull the fuel , i would have to retune the whole main map again , that why i decided to use a 4D map tabled at ECT/TPS , much simpler . But if there is a dedicated ECT fuel correction table ( as vi-pec suport says there is ) that i can pull fuel , i would be more then happy to use it( if i can find it ) and leave the 4D map table for something eles. I dont know for sure if it is a good or suitable solution, but you can rise the warm up table by say 10% (and lean entire fuel table by 10%) which means it will read 10% fuel enrichment where you actually had zero enrichment. This way you can lower 10% from operating temperature in the warm up table. I believe your 4D fuel table example should work as well. Please chime in here Vi-PEC staff if this will come in conflict with some other stuff or if it should be done in another way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashesman Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 See attached picture for where to find the dedicated ECT fuel correction table. [attachment=0]Warmup.PNG[/attachment] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest |851| Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 What dedicated ECT fuel correction table are you talking about , if your talking about the WARM-UP ENRICHMENT table it will not let you put a - number in , If there is a different table just dedicated for ECT can you tell me where it is! Thank you well how about this, if the table doesn't allow negative numbers then you just need to offset your whole tune so that the warm-up table is on positive side the whole time. remove fuel from the main map and add it to the warm-up map so that the whole warm-up map is on positive numbers, then you can play with these numbers to get your tune right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerthesnowman Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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