jimmylemon Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Hey guys, Have recently changed injectors from bosch 2200cc CNG to siemens deka 2400cc. The 2200 CNG's were giving me dramas at high temps using e85. Basically just wanting to know what I need to change in the menu just so I can get it running again and move it out of my garage, and possibly back down to tuners. Tune file attached, any help at all would be awesome. Cheers. 2630.pclr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motomattx Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 If you tune was good before the switch you should be able to change the latency table, the injector size and minimum pulse width and it should run pretty good. Gsab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmylemon Posted December 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 OK great thanks Motomattx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelR32GTR Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 One set of injectors is high impedance and the other is low impedance can this be changed though the ecu settings ? im considering this injector change for my Rb26/32gtr aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 I wouldnt recommend the 2400 Deka's for a plug-in ECU. The plug-ins only have saturated drivers so you would have to add ballast resistors and the dekas are pretty fussy with current. You can make it work but there are probably easier options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelR32GTR Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 What your opinion on running them on a link fury ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 G4+ Fury has P&H drives so that is fine. G4X Fury doesnt so that would be the same boat as the plug-in. MichaelR32GTR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmylemon Posted December 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 Is there anything else that should be noted apart from having to run a ballast Adam? I'm going to be running the standard r32 gtr ballast resistor with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 The factory ballast wont work, it will limit the current too much and those injectors get lazy if you limit them too much. You will need to make a heat-sinked bank of 6, 2.2ohm, 50W resistors. Something similar to this one that we make: https://dealers.linkecu.com/BAL6, except ours are only 4.7ohm, 25W so not suitable for these injectors. Simon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmylemon Posted December 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 Appreciate that info Adam, know anywhere decent to pickup those 2.2ohm 50w resistors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koracing Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 What part of the world are you located in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmylemon Posted December 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Would the bal2 resistors you sell work Adam? They are 1ohm 50w? I'm in Brisbane Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 1ohm would probably work but the injectors may get hot internally so I dont know if it will be good for long term life. I do know those injectors work ok with 2.2ohm so my suggestion is stick with the known. RS components stock check is not working when I checked, so I dont know which of these they have in stock, but here's 3 options all around similar prices: https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/panel-mount-fixed-resistors/7205205 https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/panel-mount-fixed-resistors/7547288 https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/panel-mount-fixed-resistors/0158317 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmylemon Posted December 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Thanks heaps for your help Adam, ill stick to the 2.2 then. I've never heard of these RS guys before, but those prices are pretty decent. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmylemon Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 Hi Adam, I ended up getting some 2.2 resistors, and have it all wired up now with the injectors in. I was just wondering if you might be able to crack open the .pclr file I have uploaded, and make the necessary changes for these injectors? I would be more than happy to pop some cash into a paypal account for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 Shouldnt need to change anything set up wise. You will probably need to use the master fuel scale to remove a bit of fuel to get it to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmylemon Posted January 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 OK what about: Injector flow @ rated pressure Injector dead time table Short pulse width adder Surely items in here need to change when going to a completely different injector Adam? Cheers. PS thanks for your input/help with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamw Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 If you are using modelled mode then of course you will have to enter the correct flow rate. If the injector supplier gave you dead times and short pulse width adder for your injectors and they tested them with the same saturated driver and ballast resistor then yes enter that correct info, but I highly doubt they have, so you will be better off leaving it alone and the tuner will have to determine the deadtimes experimentally. Short pulse width adder cant be guessed, it needs to be done on a flow bench with the same driver that will be used on the engine. Again if you dont have that info then best left at zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmylemon Posted January 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 No problem thanks again Adam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmylemon Posted February 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Just a follow up to say I used the arcol HS50 2.2's, worked a treat. Just lopped off the connector from the factory dropping resistor, then wired them all into that, used a metal box from jaycar as the enclosure. Just plugs into existing loom now. Ended up doing 896whp, no ill side effects from what the tuner could see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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