Haltech ic7 NSP Update

[kayzarh]

Hi,

Are there any plans to allow for the Link ECU to accept the can Inputs from the IC7 as part of the new update. 

I was thinking of configuring the buttons for high/low boost etc

[Vaughan]

Do you have a link to any information on the required CAN data?

[wastegate]

[Vaughan]

7 minutes ago, wastegate said:

I haven't personally received any communication from them, not to say they haven't been in touch with someone at Link, just nothing has gotten as far as my inbox.

[Steve Bull]

I cant get the dash to work anymore since the NSP instal. They know theres an issue and are apparently working on it. But theres no info about what is being outputted from the dash or any CAN ID. 

[kayzarh]

They have also not replied to my Facebook message. Honestly I wish the mxs Strada had a little more eye candy......would've just gotten that.

[Vaughan]

I have since received the required information and will need to do some thinking on how to implement it without always taking specific fixed CAN inputs.

[Steve Bull]

It was all good and with their new NSP software would have made things even better. For me the main issues other than the dash not communicating with ecu is sorting out all the can ID's and stream data. If they could allow the speed to be changed to 500 kps and sort out the coms issue it might all work with data going both ways. Still it only been  week and no reply or solution, unlike Link. Where there's a solution in a day or 2 at the most. 

[wastegate]

13 hours ago, Steve Bull said:

It was all good and with their new NSP software would have made things even better. For me the main issues other than the dash not communicating with ecu is sorting out all the can ID's and stream data. If they could allow the speed to be changed to 500 kps and sort out the coms issue it might all work with data going both ways. Still it only been  week and no reply or solution, unlike Link. Where there's a solution in a day or 2 at the most. 

Not to talk too much about it but I have a couple of support cases open with them regarding the new firmware and issues/questions and have chatted to their support guys in Sydney a few times. They are just insanely busy at the moment and have apologised for not getting to them sooner. They know there has been some oversights and are working on fixes but no word on when. 

But it's good they are sharing with Link to bring the end user a better experience. They could have done what other vendors do and just stick the middle finger up and say "use our CAN structure" but they are supporting 3rd party which is great to see in a display.

Hopefully the fully IO Expansion features of the IC7 can be fully utilised by Link ECUs very soon, of course after they can fix up the bugs

[kayzarh]

Any further updates on this?

[Vaughan]

On 8/3/2024 at 12:01 PM, kayzarh said:

Any further updates on this?

It's in the list of things for me to do and we plan to have support for it in the next release

[JZSupra]

6 hours ago, Vaughan said:

It's in the list of things for me to do and we plan to have support for it in the next release

Thanks!

[JZSupra]

On 8/7/2024 at 8:33 AM, Vaughan said:

It's in the list of things for me to do and we plan to have support for it in the next release

Hi Vaughan,

I've just come across the new PClink update that supports the Haltech CAN. I have noticed that in the list that MGP is not there (Only MAP). Is there any plans for this to sent through? I have noticed that Haltech doesn't even have an MGP specific channel. So, therefore, probably won't be supported?

[JZSupra]

2 hours ago, JZSupra said:

Hi Vaughan,

I've just come across the new PClink update that supports the Haltech CAN. I have noticed that in the list that MGP is not there (Only MAP). Is there any plans for this to sent through? I have noticed that Haltech doesn't even have an MGP specific channel. So, therefore, probably won't be supported?

Further to this, I've just updated my ecu and IC7 dash.

Is it possible to support the ecu fault codes like it was previously? It was good to see what the number was, rather just just a flashing light. 

 

[Adamw]

The Haltech CAN stream doesnt have a fault code or MGP channel so not much we can do there.

But it looks like you can set the "Manifold Pressure" channel units to gauge pressure in the dash config/NSP.  I suspect this likely just subtracts 101kpa so wont be true MGP but it will be close enough for most that live near sea level.  

[JZSupra]

20 hours ago, Adamw said:

The Haltech CAN stream doesnt have a fault code or MGP channel so not much we can do there.

But it looks like you can set the "Manifold Pressure" channel units to gauge pressure in the dash config/NSP.  I suspect this likely just subtracts 101kpa so wont be true MGP but it will be close enough for most that live near sea level.  

I thought that this was a hlatech limitation. Thanks for the update, it's much appreciated!!!

 

And yeah I set manifold pressure to psi and inches of mercury

 

 

[Vaughan]

On 9/17/2024 at 7:58 PM, JZSupra said:

Is it possible to support the ecu fault codes like it was previously? It was good to see what the number was, rather just just a flashing light. 

I can only send what the dash is expecting, I've had a quick look and only found a CE Light status but no number of fault code or type of fault code message in their CAN stream spec, let me know if you find something I've missed.

https://support.haltech.com/portal/en/kb/articles/haltech-can-ecu-broadcast-protocol

[Jaydo - 4G63]

I've just updated my G4X ECU and jumped over to the Haltech ic7 Dash can stream instead of the generic dash can stream, I've reconfigured my IC7 dash to Haltech protocol. Everything works great but i noticed gear position is no longer displayed.

Am i missing something?

 

[Vaughan]

On 9/20/2024 at 8:49 PM, Baggy-4G63 said:

I've just updated my G4X ECU and jumped over to the Haltech ic7 Dash can stream instead of the generic dash can stream, I've reconfigured my IC7 dash to Haltech protocol. Everything works great but i noticed gear position is no longer displayed.

Am i missing something?

Looks like I didn't do that part of the stream because I didn't know what their enumerated values were and didn't come back to it later, will put it on my list of things to do.

[Jaydo - 4G63]

On 9/23/2024 at 4:04 AM, Vaughan said:

Looks like I didn't do that part of the stream because I didn't know what their enumerated values were and didn't come back to it later, will put it on my list of things to do.

Ahh righto, I did see on there CAN broadcast protocol it was listed  as “Haltech special values”. 
 

Not sure if the fuel composition needs to be looked at as well. My dash currently doesn’t match the ecu value. 

[Vaughan]

15 minutes ago, Baggy-4G63 said:

Ahh righto, I did see on there CAN broadcast protocol it was listed  as “Haltech special values”. 

I have since been provided with an older document that has the enumeration specified but I haven't been able to make it work on the bench yet despite messages being as specified so waiting on further information for that.

16 minutes ago, Baggy-4G63 said:

Not sure if the fuel composition needs to be looked at as well. My dash currently doesn’t match the ecu value. 

That has also been brought to my attention by another forum member and I have added that and it is working on my desk.

[Steve Bull]

For  data that isnt included on the CAN between Link ECU and IC-7 on either streams, one work around is to substitute data. I do in on the generic dash to get data i want, just go to the frame and swap out the parameter for the one you want to send. 

[Confused]

32 minutes ago, Steve Bull said:

For  data that isnt included on the CAN between Link ECU and IC-7 on either streams, one work around is to substitute data. I do in on the generic dash to get data i want, just go to the frame and swap out the parameter for the one you want to send. 

The ECU has a limited number of user defined streams & frames you can add.

If choose to do it this way by loading the pre-defined into a custom stream, you eat into your user-defined stream/frame count. By simply choosing the Generic Dash option from the dropdown, you aren't using this allowance.

For your purposes so far, with the Generic Dash, you might not have hit this limit yet, but some people are skirting close to this limit. The Haltech dash also provides a huge number of parameters compared to the Generic Dash, so this makes it much more difficult to do so, if not impossible.

[Vaughan]

9 hours ago, Steve Bull said:

For  data that isnt included on the CAN between Link ECU and IC-7 on either streams, one work around is to substitute data. I do in on the generic dash to get data i want, just go to the frame and swap out the parameter for the one you want to send. 

The built in IC 7 stream is sending something like 38 messages out of a possible 50, all of which have their own ID and so would need an individual stream each. The limit of 10 streams in the streams tab and another 15 in a CAN file would not be enough to replicate this

You can send extra data like the fuel composition (on ID 0x470) for messages that the built in mode doesn't send at all but you wouldn't be able to do this for messages that the built in mode does send even if they are only sending some of the data for a specific ID.

[kayzarh]

Hi whats the latest on this, am I okay to now update my ic7?