Leonhard Studhalter Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Hi, i Will use a G4 Extreme To control my 1.4 Lieter (1372cc) Fiat uno 8V. so im a rookie with poor expirience, i Find a Electrical diagramm from the Fiat But im not Shure Witch Input/output i must use for the sensors and Idle Stepper Motor and All the other things. The Chalenge is I want use the original plug and wiring. so i will soldering the g4 to an original plug from a fiat ecu, the ignition has a own ecu (magneti Marelli) the original ecu is wired to the coil to become a rpm signal. but i think i use a an plug for magneti marelli too. (the magneti marelli ecu is conected to a hall sensor.) why i wanna do this? I Have Four of this cars with the same wiring, that makes the change much easier. Thank You  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Hi Leonhard, Here is a brief overview, feel free to ask more specific questions. Fuel injectors -> Connect to Injector drives 1 to 4 Temperature sensors -> Connect to An Temp channels Input signals with varying voltage (like Throttle Position Sensors or MAP sensors) -> Connect to An Volt channels Input signals that are ON or OFF (like brake switch or clutch switch) -> Connect to Digital Input channels Outputs (like fuel pump, engine fan, idle stepper) -> Connect to Auxiliary Outputs or spare fuel/ignition channels Idle Stepper -> Needs to be connected to Auxiliary Outputs 5 to 8. Trigger inputs -> I would recommend using a trigger wheel on your crank pulley, but you may be able to use the signal from your distributor if there are 4 teeth. Are you going to use the Xtreme to control your ignition also? I would strongly recommend it. The PCLink help file has a lot of information, the search function is quite useful to find it. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonhard Studhalter Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Thank you for helping me quick sorry im a rookie, i need to find datsheets about the electric/ electronic components. so i will write more i have just one trigger sensor on the crankshaft (an Magneti marelli [sen 8k]) and the crankshaft has two tooth so i wired this sraight to the g4 and conect the AI1 - Ignition to the coil (its a distibutor ignition) Can i work with just one trigger? Ahow i can configurate the stepper motor from bosch (0 132 008 600) i have no idea. Bipolar? Thank You The Rookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Being a distributor ignition system will allow you to use just two teeth on the crank but it will require a few tricks. You will need to increase you dwell times in the cranking areas of the map to very large values up to 20ms This is to allow for rapid changes of rpm at cranking / start up. If at all an option I would try to go to more teeth such as 24 missing 1 If you follow the help file information on wiring a 4 terminal stepper motor this will suit that bosch part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonhard Studhalter Posted June 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Thank you so much for Helping me i now for you sound my project horrable (like a Nightmare) i use the sample map for my project but i dit'n have a spark, the fuel pump is running but the injector dosn't run the engine speed say 0 can you thake a look about my project a ditn't have a link dealer in my near the subaru plugin was not so horrable Thank you the rookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 I think your issue will be the settings on trigger 2 As you do not have a cam sync the sync mode in trigger 2 needs to be set as none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 You will need to set up and Aux output to be Fuel pump. Which drive have you wired the fuel pump relay to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonhard Studhalter Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Thank you, for answering i forgot to write down, i use the aux5 for the fuel pump if i cahnge the drive from low to hi in the software the pump runs continously, this is why i now that the wiring is ok. if i unplug the ecu, and wire up the ecu on my work table with switches and leds the ecu also dosn't turn on the fuel, ignition, injector, but the imputs will be displayed, but  no output will be turned on, (it never displayed green in PC Link) this is why i ask. The Hill race is on july 12th i hope i can fix that. so if u now my imput and outputs can u do for me a .pcl file that i can test my ecu? With the the two teeth tricks distributor. I dont wanna drive with the stock ecu, i can no log read, and can't find things that i can do better. sorry for messing your time but i think the link ecu can make my car faster. thank you the helpless rookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 How is the fuel pump relay controlled / wired. The ECU currently is set to drive the signal to ground to turn the pump on. If you manually supply a ground to the fuel pump control wire does the pump run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonhard Studhalter Posted July 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Yes, The pump turns on, If I Set the polarty in the pc link software to high the pump runs continously, and if i wire the pump conrol wire to the ground the pump runs also i dosn't no why the ecu dont turn on any output if i turn on the key Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 If you increase the prime time it will be more noticeable typical value is 3 seconds. It could also be the ECU is not turning off due to a back feed so is not doing a fuel pump prime when the key is turned on. If you crank the engine and get RPM does the pump start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonhard Studhalter Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 No the fuel pump dosn't turn on if i crank, the injector and ignition also dosn't turn on, I dosn't no why. The ecu dosn't turn on any output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I assume you have set you sync mode to none for trigger 2. Are you getting a trigger signal on trigger 1 at all? Fuel pump, Ignition and injection all rely on an RPM signal to activate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonhard Studhalter Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Yes, but the IAT has 16 degrees so the engeine sould be pre crank prime, but hi didn't i have no idea what i do wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonhard Studhalter Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Sorry i mean the ECT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Can you confirm the ECU is shutting down at key off? Check to see the LED turns off on the front of the unit when key is turned off. If you use the test injection function do the injectors work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonhard Studhalter Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 yes if i turn the key off, TheEcu Also Turn off, if i use the test function, the injector will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 When you crank engine does the ECU display a correct RPM should be around 200-250ish I suspect the ECU is not registering that the motor is cranking and is in turn not turning the pump or injectors on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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